Windows 10 - Replace NTFS

You are not the only one - the current NTFS management under Win10 Tech Preview is very unreliable, it always ends with NTFS structure damage when closing my system.

I used several types of FS and , while each has its pros and cons, the NTFS and the way it is managed by Microsoft currently is really daunting.

Dear Microsoft guys - we want system for work, not a toy, that unexpectedly crashes and may damage your data.

I understand this may happen with  very early builds, but not when we are approaching the official release !

Forget visual candies, focus on really important issues !

ZFS has open source implementations.  maybe that's a good start?

I haven't had issues with NTFS but in my comparisons to other file systems it's NOT "the fastest".  Still it appears to be a LOT better than FAT-based systems for reliability and so on.

I use ZFS on my server box.  There's a lot of ZFS fandom out there.

Hopefully the idea of adopting a file system LIKE ZFS wouldn't result in a 'Not Invented Here' reaction.

(still I'm not UNhappy with NTFS, but it's an interesting topic to consider)

If NTFS is so unreliable for you, then there might be a good chance that you are doing something wrong, as it has not been either my personal experience, or that of some large corporations with thousands of computers that I worked at...

And really, do you know of that many people driven to Linux? We've been hearing this for the past 20 years that "next year for sure, people will move to Linux." They never did. They never will.

If NTFS is so unreliable for you, then there might be a good chance that you are doing something wrong, as it has not been either my personal experience, or that of some large corporations with thousands of computers that I worked at...

And really, do you know of that many people driven to Linux? We've been hearing this for the past 20 years that "next year for sure, people will move to Linux." They never did. They never will.

I use Linux Mr fanboy, and Windows, and OS X when I'm feeling adventurous. Can't build android on Windows :D.When people use Windows for servers they usually use ReFS as the filing system for exactly these reasons because ntfs tends to cut the life of a hard drive by years. That's why backups are always so important and why I've burned through hundreds of hard drives over my life span.

If NTFS is so unreliable for you, then there might be a good chance that you are doing something wrong, as it has not been either my personal experience, or that of some large corporations with thousands of computers that I worked at...

And really, do you know of that many people driven to Linux? We've been hearing this for the past 20 years that "next year for sure, people will move to Linux." They never did. They never will.

I don't have problems with NTFS, either.

As for 'driven to linux', there are other factors involved in that.  Consider the Ernie Ball story, for one.  There was a thread titled 'viable alternative to 8, 8.1, and 10' or similar that went into a LOT of this sort of thing, so probably other Linux-specific comments belong there.

Anyway, it's moderately relevant to THIS discussion for the fact that Linux can be considered 'competition', and EXT4 has been mentioned in the original post, and so it's something to consider for Microsoft when they decide if they want to replace (or greatly improve) NTFS for Windows 10.

But if you're talking about MASS migration to Linux, that hasn't happened yet, yeah.  YET.  It all depends on what happens to desktop and server users in the next year or so with respect to Windows 10's rollout.  I don't think "free" will be enough.

worthy of mention, the most popular phone OS is Android, which is Linux-based.  Just sayin'.

If NTFS is so unreliable for you, then there might be a good chance that you are doing something wrong, as it has not been either my personal experience, or that of some large corporations with thousands of computers that I worked at...

And really, do you know of that many people driven to Linux? We've been hearing this for the past 20 years that "next year for sure, people will move to Linux." They never did. They never will.

I don't have problems with NTFS, either.

As for 'driven to linux', there are other factors involved in that.  Consider the Ernie Ball story, for one.  There was a thread titled 'viable alternative to 8, 8.1, and 10' or similar that went into a LOT of this sort of thing, so probably other Linux-specific comments belong there.

Anyway, it's moderately relevant to THIS discussion for the fact that Linux can be considered 'competition', and EXT4 has been mentioned in the original post, and so it's something to consider for Microsoft when they decide if they want to replace (or greatly improve) NTFS for Windows 10.

But if you're talking about MASS migration to Linux, that hasn't happened yet, yeah.  YET.  It all depends on what happens to desktop and server users in the next year or so with respect to Windows 10's rollout.  I don't think "free" will be enough.

worthy of mention, the most popular phone OS is Android, which is Linux-based.  Just sayin'.

I never even metioned this "mass migration" nor do I care what you think of Linux. You fanboys just make me laugh so hard it's not even funny.

re-reading your post, I have to wonder if the power off sequence needs to wait until the drive finishes writing data physically to the disk.  maybe the driver needs to be updated to account for this?  And it's also possible the drive itself isn't reporting "write complete" properly to the OS, just as a possibility.  Maybe there are firmware udpates for your disk drive that would correct this.  you should contact THEM (the manufacturer) to see what they say.  They will DEFINITELY want to fix the driver or the firmware if it's their problem.

A firmware update isn't going to correct a hard drive of 6 years from dying due to physical failure because ntfs and Windows read and write to the hard drive FAR to often. I also always wait until the hardware has reached full shut down, besides the fact this takes an obsurd amount of time no matter how fast your system is and endlessly gets longer the more a Windows operating system is used, the problems of physical failure (out of spare sectors is the most common) because Windows is burning these hard drives to he'll and back any time I ask the system to simply boot up. Then theirs fragmentation, which hasn't been a problem for virtually any file system in ages, and it's beyond obsurd that were still using this dinosaur of a filing system. The fragmentation is apart of the over the top read/write problem that causes a hard drive that should easily last 10-20 Years of intensive use die in 6

Considering how new ReFS is, what little support is currently has, and compromises required to use it, something tells me that "When people use Windows for servers they usually use ReFS as the filing system" is pulled out of thin air.

And as anecdotal evidence, system drive in my home box has been doing just fine since 2007 practically non-stop. Using NTFS, thank you very much.

There were stories about people switching to Linux ever since it came out. Statistically, they are still negligible.

Android is Linux-based, but at least Google hides that reasonably well, and it's not like you can run (easily) something else on those phones anyway.

Why would Microsoft need/want to use EXT4, when they have their own file systems, and EXT4 isn't really an improvement over NTFS anyway. Come to think of it, Win10 uses a different version of NTFS than 7 did, so there might be more changes under the hood anyway.