Some Win32 apps missing from Start menu "All Programs" list and search

I have a screenshot here where Outlook 2013 is not appearing on the Windows 10 "All Programs" menu on Start.

This is one of many examples that I have.  I have many other programs that are missing.  Which specific programs are missing seems to be random, most of them are there but maybe 10-15% are not.

Programs that are missing also do not show up in search results on the Start menu.  If I try to pin them to Start from File Explorer, that doesn't work either.

All in all, this is pretty annoying.  For apps that don't appear on Start, the only way for me to launch them (aside from pinning them to the taskbar) is to find a shortcut in File Explorer and launch it from there.

I've tried resetting the Windows Search index, and I've made sure that the "Start Menu" folder is included in the index.  Not sure what else to do.

Any ideas?  Thanks.

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I just wanted to repeat myself: Go to page 4 and read what I said about making a new user account and moving the files over. For some reason i cant figure out how to link to a specific post, so i linked to the one above it (which i have as a response in my email)..... https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_desktop/some-win32-apps-missing-from-start-menu-all/b41f1f57-5af3-468d-896f-bd283aa6cfdf?page=4&msgId=bb6788b0-3db1-4342-9620-78487fd4af3f

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Agreed it is not straightforward. Nor am I convinced that creating a new user is a complete fix. It would help of course if Microsoft would tell us more about the bug but it does not seem inclined to do so.

Tim

It's interesting that creating a new user, or a fresh installation (non-upgrade) seems not to suffer the same problems. Which may explain, to some extent, why MS hadn't picked this up prior to now. It also seems that the issue is an accumulation of many issues, rather than simply a 512 app limit. Windows Search (which has always caused me far more problems than any potential benefit) is almost certainly tied up in the problem/solution. So hopefully a fix will be available soon, but something tells me it's not straightforward!

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Here is a NEW GLITCH - after several w10 reloads some Metro Tiles randomly gone from Start Menu.

85% of them. Items are searchable and pinning back if I click them to pin.

Could be windows update issue. Or any other.

So new user may not help. Restoring w8.1 from backup will help for sure.

There are some nice telemetry additions there too, provided with new updates.

P.S. Firefox, 3dcoat etc are gone from search with total count of items: 393

Lost: 5 needed apps or more.

Workarounds like deleting items or new user or any other are not solid solution for Start issue.

Only update from ms will fix this.

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What a disaster...No matter what you do to reset the start menu (ex: create a new user and migrate profile), once you pass the "512apps limit" it breaks the start menu anyway: Some apps will randomly disappear, you won't be able to pin anything that is outside the start menu (ex: desktop folders), and you won't be able to pin anything from explorer via "pin to start" context menu. It will only allow to pin the apps appearing in start menu "all apps" and you can pin only from there.

Even if you reduce the number of links/apps, by moving an entire folder outside of the start menu (or deleting useless links), somehow, the start menu won't "update" : the apps/shortcuts (even moved elsewhere) will still appear there (off course with a blank icon + unclickable because you moved/deleted them).

It has nothing to see with the search in my opinion, but it is due to the poor 512apps limitation, and how windows handles the tiledatalayer database (or the tile data server service...) : it won't reset or change once it's broken...

So, the best workaround for now, is :
1. Reduce the number of links/apps (by moving some folders, or deleting useless shortcuts)

2. Delete the Tiledatalayer/database folder, to force the start menu to "reset" : after a restart and a moment, it will "reconstruct" itself, and all apps (if less than 512) will reappear, less the store and window native apps (see step3 for that). This folder is situated in  "your user name"/appdata/local/tiledatalayer, but its a bit tricky to delete, you need do it in a few steps : 

-first you need to open task manager and go down to windows processes, leave it open on the side. 

-then you delete the database folder, but it will state "the file...is in use"

-so in task manager under windows processes, end  "appmodel task" (click  yes/ shutdown blabla... it won't shutdown in fact.)

-finally you click retry and the folder will be deleted.

Restart your computer and wait for a while, your start menu "all apps" will re-populate.

3. Re-deploy store apps, so they appear again in start menu.  For that, open a PowerShell window as Administrator. Copy and paste the following line into the PowerShell window and press Enter:

Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers| Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register “$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml”}

4. All your apps are back, however all your pinned apps will be reset (the right panel will be empty) so you need to re-pin everything that you want. Personnaly I did a screen capture before, to remember what I pinned and where (use the "snipping tool" in startmenu/windows accessories, with a delay to be able to open the start menu before the capture)

5. Optional step, backup the tiledatalayer folder. In case your start menu breaks again you'll just have to restore it (to be able to copy the folder and/or restore it, see step 2 and taskmanager trick for that)

Until it get fixed, hope it helps someone...

PS : Creating a new user profile is not a very good option and can be a real disaster, as the user SID in registry will be a different one, it means you can break all your security/permissions (if you delete the first user profile and data). So - very important- in case you're a real kamikaze and want to do that,  before deleting the original/migrated profile, go in the registry, under "HKLM/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Windows NT/CurrentVersion/ProfileList/S-1-5-xx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx/" , note the last 4 digits of your original profile (usually user SID finishes by -1001 if you did a clean install). After the migration you'll have to change the new profile SID by replacing with the original user SID. I guess there is plenty of topics explaining better than me how to migrate a profile in a good way...imho my solution is much less dangerous.

edit: copying the tiledatalayer database from a newly created user is another option, but due to the new user SID, the file permissions would be changed (to different SID or "account unknown" if you deleted that new profile)

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Тhis method just deleted all non-standard-windows apps from Start menu of my second user account

I will delete him as well. And will create a new one. With less initial amount of items stored in program data.

UPD: Start crashed again - windows 8.1 restored from backup.

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Now, when I went back to 8.1, windows 10 tries to download itself to disk. Every time I run the update. In the settings window is prohibited to download, w10 selected as hidden updates. Still, it tries to download.
I want to stop it. Citizens help. I do not want a broken Start again.
3035583, 2976978 deleted and hidden. No effect.
Upd: looks like some registry tweaks done the job. Update window shows it is downloading windows 10, but it does not. Only regular updates downloaded.

Tweaks were

Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1

And some other key near HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\CurrentVersion\AllowOSUpgrade =0

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go to

http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/C/8/1C8BAF5C-9B7E-44FB-A90A-F58590B5DF7B/v2.0/MediaCreationToolx64.exe

and download media creation tool and try to download and install win 10 by this

Hth

Michael

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Dude, did you read his post?  He doesn't want windows 10, because it is broken.  He wants to prevent windows 8 from automatically updating to windows 10.  You respond telling him to download windows 10?

Krueger, i don't have windows 8, so I can't really help.  Have you tried disabling windows update in services?

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The start in Windows 10 is broken for me too with my app count hitting 1170. Are Microsoft actually working on a fix? Or should we be rolling back to 8.1?
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Just install ClassicShell's ClassicStart until they get it fixed. No fancy tiles, but otherwise, it will work quite well. http://www.classicshell.net

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