DICE releases info on the upcoming Balance change candidates

So, Volume Two of the Future Balance Changes. We've recently updated with patches that have changed some balance items, and the community has responded with feedback. This list includes some direct responses to that feedback, as well as a very important issue close to several player's hearts: Aggressive Recon.

Bolt action sniper rounds now have a chance to kill at close range if the player is hit in the upper chest.

Why are we making this change?
-Aggressive Recon was a popular (and controversial) play style in BFBC2, the fact that the playstyle is essentially not present in BF3 has been a disappointment to many players.
-The balance issues of BC2 (Magnum ammo increasing the 1 hit kill range) is not present in BF3, the range is set and cannot be improved by players. Additionally the 1 hit kill is not guaranteed in BF3, the target is small and can be blocked by the player's arms.
-Additionally, all kits have access to the Slug shotguns, the 870 pump with slugs is still far superior to a bolt action rifle at close range. It is faster, and it can hit anywhere in the torso to 1 hit kill, though it lacks the accuracy of the snipers at range.
-Finally, Recon is under represented in the game, especially in CQB game modes, giving the Recon player a place in CQB is important to us as developers.

And yes, for those of you who follow me on Twitter, I changed my mind. I hope this change pleases the Recon players, and I believe it will not negatively impact the game for the rest of you.
-Alan "Demize99" Kertz

It’s important to note:
• This list is provided as a way for the Community to give us feedback on potential Balance changes to the game.
• This list is specifically focused on Balance changes. Feature requests and bug fixes are purposefully absent from this list.
• There is no guarantee that any of these Balance changes will make it into a future update at all, nor is this list a guarantee that there will be future updates.


Slightly increased the AEK971 recoil.
Slightly increased the ASVAL recoil.
Added Extended Mags to the ASVAL.
Slightly increased the recoil on the M249.
Reduced the recoil of the SKS rifle.
Fixed aimed firing max accuracy on the Pecheneg to be consistent with other LMGs.
Slightly reduced the recoil of the F2000 and restored it to the previous base accuracy.
Semiautomatic and automatic shotguns firing FRAG rounds now do slightly less splash damage.
Increased the damage of the G3, M60, and M240 at close range.

Claymores can now detonate from vehicles and can be used to disable jeeps or kill the passengers in light jeeps. Claymores will not do any damage to heavy vehicles.
Reduced the spot times on C4 and Claymore projectiles from 30 to 15 sec.
The Radio Beacon, Mortar, Mav, EOD bot, T-UGS, and SOFLAM should now be much easier to deploy.
C4 will no longer be detonatable after a player respawns, if the player is revived within 5 seconds he can still detonate his C4.
The player may now have a maximum number of mines which will persist after the player's death. Deploying more than the maximum of 6 mines will remove a previous mine from the world.
Claymores now also persist through death, the player can have 2 claymores planted.

9x39mm rounds no longer benefit from the Sniper headshot bonus.
Increased the damage of the 9x39mm rounds.
Fixed the AKS74u damage at max range, it was incorrectly higher than other carbines.
Increased the damage of the .357 and .44 magnum rounds at max range.
All semiautomatic and bolt weapons, including all shotgun slugs, now have their maximum damage out to 15m.
Semiautomatic sniper rifles, **** Rifles, LMGs, and shotgun slugs now have more consistent damage over long range.

Tweaked IRNV to be more consistent across all levels.
Fixed a rendering issue with IRNV view when taking damage.
Tweaked the IRNV zoom times and scope visible areas to be the same across all weapons (some were faster than others).
Fixed the QBU-88 sniper and the L96 IRNV scopes to use the proper aiming reticule.

The spread for Flechette rounds has been reduced slightly on all shotguns.
The spread for buckshot has been reduced on the M1014, DAO-12, and S12k. These weapons have an accuracy advantage over the USAS12 but are not as accurate as the 870.

Semiautomatic weapons will no longer "jam" if the player presses fire faster than the weapon is capable of shooting. Some semi automatic weapons have had their rates of fire adjusted to fit this change.

Slightly reduced the effective blast radius of the RPG, SMAW, and 40mm grenade projectiles against infantry.
Reduced the total number of RPG and SMAW missiles carried from 5 to 4.

Tank rounds will now instantly destroy Jets, Attack Helicopters, and Scout Helicopters.
Fixed a problem when locking on to two nearby targets, the locking should no longer jump rapidly between multiple targets.
Significantly increased the damage of the Javelin and Air to Ground missiles against laser designated targets.
Javelin missiles fired without laser targeting now do more damage to the side and rear of MBTs.
Slightly reduced the locking time of all weapons vs Laser Designated targets.
Increased the locking distance for Jets when locking on laser designated targets.
Slightly reduced the repair speed of the repair tool.
Increased the damage the MBT's primary weapon does to other main battle tanks.
AA Missiles should no longer kill the pilot instead of the vehicle.
Reduced the damage AA missiles do to jets.
Stinger and IGLA missiles now do 50% damage to Jets, Attack Helicopters, and Scout Helicopters.
Slightly reduced the damage of Jet cannons.
Increased RPG and SMAW damage against aircraft.
Guided Rockets will now only track ground targets, as originally intended.
Reduced the direct damage done by helicopter gunners vs armor.
Helicopter guns should now suppress correctly.
Improved the accuracy of the Mi28 gun to match the AH1 gun.
Increased the direct hit damage of the APFSDS rounds for the IFVs.
Miniguns and Helicopter Gunners now more quickly destroy parked cars.
Increased the power of explosions from cars and other explosive static objects.
Dying from the explosion of a car or other explosive static object should now correctly credit the player who caused the explosion.
Adjusted the F35's Center of Mass and Lift Engine for more stable, level flight.
Updated the F35 weapon systems to be consistent with the other air craft.
Changed the Kornets to TOW launchers on Wake Island and moved the spawn position of the AAV to a more level position.
Fixed several bugs with air vehicles colliding with objects at high speeds and taking no damage.
Players will no longer receive suicides or team kills if they crash their vehicle (dying is punishment enough).
You can now spot with the EODbot.

Increased the spawn protection time from 1sec to 2sec. The protection will still be immediately canceled as soon as the player moves or shoots.
Spawn protection will no longer be canceled by the player looking around.
Slightly increased the speed at which a player can shoot again after sprinting.
Fixed some situations that would unintentionally make a player unrevivable.
Reduced the black screen fade in time on spawn.

 

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Red Clown povided the link in another, I thought it'd be a nice wall-o-text for some wednesday afternoon discussion.  Enjoy!

battlelog.battlefield.com/.../2832654624783579995

Congratulations. You copy/pasted everything from a thread from the 9th...

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These are old. Not everything (As well as things missing) is going to make it into game on that list / been added. The thread hasn't been updated since the 9th either.

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battlelog.battlefield.com/.../2832654624783579995

Congratulations. You copy/pasted everything from a thread from the 9th...

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These are old. Not everything (As well as things missing) is going to make it into game on that list / been added. The thread hasn't been updated since the 9th either.

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You're welcome!    At least this is a list of things they are actively testing, as opposed to conjecture and assumptions previously posted. 

You can always ignore it as well.

I would like to be able to HEAR it when C4 is being attached to my precious (tank)  you know like it was on Bc2

Aggressive Recon?  Good lord... As if sitting on the top of a 15 story building wasnt reward enough for being "recon."  I have been shot once with a m98b plenty of times from within 20 meters and croaked.

 They should throw this guy on a pile of ants.... right next to Vahnderhaar from Treyarch.  Their ignorance and arrogance match George Lucas' at this point.

Good grief...what are they doing to the game?  

[quote user="Praetorian VIII"]

Good grief...what are they doing to the game?  

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It would seem they are actively trying to "improve" it, for whatever that's worth.  Bigger picture - there are opinions and decisions being given and considered that are from some undefined group of players.  they certainly aren't us console players.

[quote user="vibroluxor"]

[quote user="Praetorian VIII"]

Good grief...what are they doing to the game?  

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It would seem they are actively trying to "improve" it, for whatever that's worth.  Bigger picture - there are opinions and decisions being given and considered that are from some undefined group of players.  they certainly aren't us console players.

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Quite right sir.  As of this message the PC has 108k currently online while the 360 alone has 134k (hey DICE 134 is more than 108).  I dont understand the direction they are taking with their patches but it certainly seems that nerfing things isnt working.  I mean there are still operational issues here. No lie my friend and I try and join a game, be it quick match or server select, and 8 out of 10 times we are on different teams.  10 out of 10 times we are on different squads. Patch THAT. Address THAT.  Leave my weapons and mines and AA alone you snobs!!!

Thanks for the post Vibroluxor, this was news to me.  I'm not sure why Bon3zz was all butt hurt, just because he read it on the 9th doesn't mean everyone else did.  Glad to hear that they are changing the mines again.  They stay after you die but you only get six.  I can live with that.

wait.....what?....I'll be able to kill a chopper with a tank round now instead of just disabling it?....cool

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otherwise meh.....the console club is DICE's bread&butter because more copies of BF3 were sold for console but we're still 2nd class citizens in their mind I guess...still think they suck....some of those tweaks sound negligible to me...others sound OK...guess we'll see huh?

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y'know, before KAOS went all low rent-welfare and released Homefront....they had an actual rep right here on these forums for the game FFOW, and you could offer suggestions and engage in conversation with them...they even had contests and gave out free stuff....shame what happened to that company....must have changed management prior to HF's release

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