Eudora 7 and Windows 8

Make sure to use this program only on the win 8 Desktop, not on the Start page in the Mail App.

        Sincere thanks, Mary, for the prompt and not discouraging reply in which you wrote:

> Make sure to use this program only on the win 8 Desktop, not on the Start page in the Mail App.

        Eudora's icon was on the Desktop but a plain square labelled Eudora also appeared at the right of the Start page.  This was duly unpinned - is this what you meant? - and Eudora restarted from the desktop.  But a Ctl-m test elicited "...permission denied [10013]".

> AND you cannot use the old xp settings in windows 8. You must start the setup all over again for win 8 because the OS will not allow eudora to place anything in the system files.

        This is less clear.  Most of those settings appear completely unrelated to the system files if, indeed, there are any.  (Win 8's search function finds only three small candidates when seeking "system files".)  Hoping that "start the setup all over again" means turning the e-mailer off and on again and reentering any Tools/Options that have anything possibly related to the System files I scrolled through every Category (from Getting Started on), leaving Secure Sockets as "Never", Server configuration as POP and (almost) everything else as default, again without success.

> Your mistake is transferring all the settings.

        I am sure I have made mistakes.  Yet the only other non-default specification I recall applying, and this during installation, was specifying a new, non-system Eudora Mail directory rather than the cryptic one proposed for received attachments.

> Read this thread--
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows/BkluLzvXgHg

        I am grateful for your advice here too.  But that "thread" is actually an extensive collection which contains many very long and often seemingly unrelated ropes.  I fear what this inadequately computer-literate user needs is a step-by-step list of what to do, & not do, at each stage of the installation or setup process.  Does such a route map exist?

        Any further suggestions will be much appreciated.  I rely heavily on electronic communication in my work and have found no e-mailer that comes close to the old Eudora.

        Again, many thanks.

        Antonio

Have been using Eudora extensively for many years on many Windows platforms. I still use it on Windows 8, and it works just fine.

1. Install Eudora 7.1 (http://www.eudora.com/download/). The installation process asks where to install the user files. I always put this in a separate folder from the program files because it makes moving Eudora to a new computer very easy. This folder can be copied over the top of a new installation's folder of the same name, making the migration process a snap.

2. After the installation is complete, copy *.mbx, *.toc, nndbase.*, filters.pce,, the sigs folder, the embedded folder, the filters folder and the euroda.ini file from the old computer to wherever you installed Eudora's files.

3. Start Eudora, and it will have all the mailboxes, accounts and account settings, and the address book you had before.

Many thanks, MarkPerl, for yesterday's reply in which you wrote:
 

> Have been using Eudora extensively for many years on many Windows platforms. I still use it on Windows 8, and it works just fine.

        Excellent.

> 1. Install Eudora 7.1 (http://www.eudora.com/download/). The installation process asks where to install the user files. I always put this in a separate folder from the program files because it makes moving Eudora to a new computer very easy. This folder can be copied over the top of a new installation's folder of the same name, making the migration process a snap.

        Fine, I think.  Transferring old correspondence to the new laptop isn't essential to me.  A clean, blank 7.1 which WORKS in Win8 is all I want.  I agree, though, that Eudora's default folder for mail is cryptic and I am planning to assign it to a much more accessible spot such as My Documents\EudoraMail.  Any objections?

> 2. After the installation is complete, copy *.mbx, *.toc, nndbase.*, filters.pce,, the sigs folder, the embedded folder, the filters folder and the euroda.ini file from the old computer to wherever you installed Eudora's files.

        Very well.

> 3. Start Eudora, and it will have all the mailboxes, accounts and account settings, and the address book you had before.

        Super.  BUT you are way ahead of me.  First, I must get the e-emailer to work so that it sends and receives correspondence normally.  And most of the time it fails miserably apparently because of an inability to communicate with my website domain's host.  So Eudora regularly reports:

"Error getting network address for "*** Email address is removed for privacy ***"  Cause: host not found [11001]"  or
"the POP server (*** Email address is removed for privacy ***@*** Email address is removed for privacy ***") said: ERR Login failed." or
- "Eudora got tired of waiting for the server. [10100]" or
- "Could not connect to "secure23.inmotionhosting.com" Cause: Permission denied [10013]"

        The issue appears to hinge on Eudora's configuration.  Some aspects, such as the POP setting and authorising authentication, are essential and clear.  But others, particularly the Secure Sockets settings prove arcane.  Moreover, some specs work fluently one moment but not another.  I cannot tell you how many disparate variations have been tried.  Yet you cite none of these.  Could you at least please tell me what you are using?

        Thank you again,

        Antonio

Create the My Documents\EudoraMail folder before you begin the installation, so you can point to it during the installion.

The easiest way to get e-mail flowing quickly is to copy the Eudora.ini from the old installation to the
My Documents\EudoraMail folder immediately after the installation. Eudora will then come up with all of the correct personality/account information.

Oh...just read the rest of your message, and I'm not sure if those errors were from your old installation or the new one.

Re: setting up POP and SMTP server info, the first thing to remember is that Eudora is a very old e-mail program, and as such, it's server settings screen labels often don't match up with the modern settings information we're given by our e-mail host providers.

Sending you my settings would not help you, as my settings would be different from your because we use different mail servers. Send your settings, and I'll try to point you in the right direction:

POP server name:
POP server SSL required?
SMTP server name:
SMTP authentication required?
If SMTP authentication required, is it the same as the POP server?
SMTP port:

Sincere thanks again, Mark, for the quick and helpful follow-up:

> Create the My Documents\EudoraMail folder before you begin the installation, so you can point to it during the installion.

        I'm surprised doing so can make a difference.  (Or perhaps this is just for convenience.)  But will follow your advice.  As I recall, when the question about where to store mail arises during the installation, it is just that - where to put correspondence.  And this, presumably means the various mbx and toc files.  But you refer to half a dozen additional ones.  I assume the others are all part of the same packet.

> The easiest way to get e-mail flowing quickly is to copy the Eudora.ini from the old installation to the
My Documents\EudoraMail folder immediately after the installation. Eudora will then come up with all of the correct personality/account information.

        OK, I think this is clear.  But, again, this is mere convenience.  First I want to get the basic e-mailer to work.

> Oh...just read the rest of your message, and I'm not sure if those errors were from your old installation or the new one.

        From the new Win8 machine.  Eudora in XP rarely if ever exhibits such problems.

> Re: setting up POP and SMTP server info, the first thing to remember is that Eudora is a very old e-mail program, and as such, it's server settings screen labels often don't match up with the modern settings information we're given by our e-mail host providers.

        Fair enough.

> Sending you my settings would not help you, as my settings would be different from your because we use different mail servers. Send your settings, and I'll try to point you in the right direction:

        Terrific, thanks so much.

> POP server name:

        This is not promising.  The only servers MY 7.1 Eudora refers to are Mail Server (Incoming) and SMTP Server (Outgoing.)  There is no "POP server" anywhere.

        In any event, the In and Out servers currently specified are both secure23.inmotionhosting.com .  ( mail.aambiental.org and gs23.inmotionhosting.com were also suggested by InMotion Support.  But these were worse still.)

> POP server SSL required?

        Again, my e-mailer asks no such question - do you really have 7.1? - so I am unsure how to answer.  In my programme there is a Secure Sockets when Receiving section whose four options are:

- "Never" [my current setting]
- "If Available, STARTTLS"
- "Required, Alternate Port" and
- "Required, STARTTLS"

> SMTP server name:

        As above, secure23.inmotionhosting.com

> SMTP authentication required?

        "Allow authentication" is checked (or on).

> If SMTP authentication required, is it the same as the POP server?

        Again I am left wondering about our respective Eudoras.  All I can say is that in the first Tools/Options/Getting Started section in which both In and Out servers are as stated above, authentication is ALLOWED.  There is no (stated) requirement.

> SMTP port:

        It is increasingly discouraging to see these queries which have no parallel in the 7.1 version I retrieved.  The only port reference in my Eudora is under Sending Mail in which one can use or not use port 587.  This is presently selected.

        I earnestly hope these answers are of some use.

        Antonio

Antonio

Please do not be discouraged. We are both talking about the same Eudora 7.1. The difference is that I'm using tech jargon that you're not familiar with. POP is the same as Incoming server!

Also, there are 2 different ways to configure the server configuration information. We're each using different method, but the information is the same.

When I asked for the mail server information, I should have been more specific. E-mail hosting companies usually have a page on their website that lists the POP (incoming) and SMTP (outgoing) mail configuration settings. Some even have pages for configuring various e-mail programs. Same even still have Eudora in their list!

With that information in hand, one can then configure Eudora successfully. And one sometimes has to "play" with the settings a bit because old Eudora's configuration screens often times do not match up with the e-mail host's config information.

More perspective on Eudora...Eudora was created before we all began to have problems with SPAM. Once the problems with SPAM to become really serious, e-mail hosting companies, in order to cope the mounting SPAM problem, began to require settings changes in e-mail programs...and Eudora was left in the dust as other e-mails programs were forced to evolve.

Re: creating the My Documents\EudoraMail folder before you begin the installation, this is a requirement because old Eudora does not give you the ability to create this folder on the fly like a modern program would. And, yes, this folder ends up with lots of files and folders in addition to the mail box and address book files. When I migrate a new computer, I copy this folder in its entirety to the new computer before installing Eudora. I point Eudora's installation to this folder and am up and running immediately after the installation is complete. This is one of the real strengths of Eudora.

My suggestion for you at this point is to...
1. Uninstall Eudora.
2. Delete Qualcomm folder in C:\Program Files (x86) or C:\Program Files, depending on your installation type.
3. Create the My Documents\EudoraMail folder.
4. Install Eudora, pointing to the above folder when prompted.
5. After the installation is complete, copy the eudora.ini file from the WinXP computer to the My Documents\EudoraMail folder on the Win8 computer.

Assuming all worked well in your WinXP computer and you still have access to the files, the above procedure is the quickest way to get you up and running.

The eudora.ini file will be found in the C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora folder on the WinXP computer. Suggest you also grab the nndbase. nnt and the nndbase.toc files as well. The nndbase files are Eudora's address book.

If you no longer have access to the WinXP computer, and you'd like, I can remote into your computer, with you watching of course, and configure Eudora for you. I'm an IT consultant, and would do this for you free of charge because we Eudora users have to stick together.

Mark
http://perlstein.us/

Hello Mark,

    What a long, detailed and decent reply.  Many thanks.  You began:

> Please do not be discouraged. We are both talking about the same Eudora 7.1. The difference is that I'm using tech jargon that you're not familiar with...

    Then you are patient as well.  However, cosmetically (and curiously) 7.1 LOOKS different in XP - sharper corners, darker blue and for me more attractive - than the face Eudora displays in 8.

> Also, there are 2 different ways to configure the server configuration information. We're each using different method, but the information is the same.

    Fine, I hope!

> When I asked for the mail server information, I should have been more specific. E-mail hosting companies usually have a page on their website that lists the POP (incoming) and SMTP (outgoing) mail configuration settings. Some even have pages for configuring various e-mail programs. Same even still have Eudora in their list!

    Impressive.  But it is surprising, then, that the otherwise good InMotion Support staff have offered a range of options.

> With that information in hand, one can then configure Eudora successfully. And one sometimes has to "play" with the settings a bit because old Eudora's configuration screens often times do not match up with the e-mail host's config information.

    Fair enough, and so I have found.

> More perspective on Eudora...Eudora was created before we all began to have problems with SPAM. Once the problems with SPAM to become really serious, e-mail hosting companies, in order to cope the mounting SPAM problem, began to require settings changes in e-mail programs...and Eudora was left in the dust as other e-mails programs were forced to evolve.

    Again, fair enough.  I have a pretty strong sense of civic duty in some areas and feel that merely deleting the stuff is not enough.  So for several years I reported such mail to Spamcop.  But it was time-consuming and appeared to accomplish little or nothing.  Now any correspondence with terms I have blacklisted on InMotion's server's filter is sent "This account rejects spam".  Whatever effect the measure may, or may not, have on these cyber polluters it has certainly made a difference here.

> Re: creating the My Documents\EudoraMail folder before you begin the installation, this is a requirement because old Eudora does not give you the ability to create this folder on the fly like a modern program would.

    Ah, understood.  Thank you.  (BTW, this all seems completely unrelated to advice originally given by Mary.)

> And, yes, this folder ends up with lots of files and folders in addition to the mail box and address book files.

    Fine.

> When I migrate a new computer, I copy this folder in its entirety to the new computer before installing Eudora. I point Eudora's installation to this folder and am up and running immediately after the installation is complete. This is one of the real strengths of Eudora.

    Exactly.  You are unusual not only for the qualities already appreciated but because you continue to use such a dated e-mailer (in spite of the manifold alternatives available especially to you) and because you choose to keep correspondence with you and not on a remote server.

> My suggestion for you at this point is to...
1. Uninstall Eudora.
2. Delete Qualcomm folder in C:\Program Files (x86) or C:\Program Files, depending on your installation type.
3. Create the My Documents\EudoraMail folder.
4. Install Eudora, pointing to the above folder when prompted.
5. After the installation is complete, copy the eudora.ini file from the WinXP computer to the My Documents\EudoraMail folder on the Win8 computer.

    This sounds good.  I am pretty backlogged on other tasks but will definitely (attempt to do all of this and, I hope you and other forum readers won't mind, report back.)

> Assuming all worked well in your WinXP computer and you still have access to the files, the above procedure is the quickest way to get you up and running.

    Very good.

> The eudora.ini file will be found in the C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora folder on the WinXP computer. Suggest you also grab the nndbase. nnt and the nndbase.toc files as well. The nndbase files are Eudora's address book.

    Thank you, Mark.

> If you no longer have access to the WinXP computer, and you'd like, I can remote into your computer, with you watching of course, and configure Eudora for you. I'm an IT consultant, and would do this for you free of charge because we Eudora users have to stick together.

    This is extremely decent.  But two provisos:

1. First I want to try, and perhaps learn, from the experience of at least attempting to do this on my own;
2. I will definitely keep you in mind for future paid assistance.  Two possible areas:

- I am getting increasingly fed up with Microsoft (US & Portugal) and HP (US & India) over changing the Win8 keyboard/language so that with just two strokes I can generate many nonASCII characters (e.g. Alt n = ñ, 'c = ç).  The spec used to be US English International.  But Win8 offers no such option.

- My 7-year-old Dell Inspiron continues to provide sterling service.  But it is increasingly showing its age and needs much more than regular chkdsk and registry clean-ups.  Here I am sure you'll be able to help.

    Although an architect by training, my work, indeed my life, is now devoted to environmental conservation.  So I was intrigued (and impressed) by your UCLA recycling link since I continue doing (free) landfill work.  Can you tell me more?  (I'll send  my contact separately.)

    Sincere thanks again.

    All the best,

    Antonio

Hi Mark,

The link you provided no longer works.  Is there somewhere else I can get it?  I was actually a paid user before they abandoned it. I tried OSE, but the search engine was a disaster.

Now my 7.1 appears to be corrupted. For example, I can't turn off full headers, the Help function no longer works, and the search engine misses a lot of things so that it can no longer be fully trusted. I was limping along ok however, until a couple days ago, when I began getting the following error:

SSL Negotiation Failed: Unknown Error

The connection with the server has been lost

When I click OK, the next error popup says:

The server's SSL certificate was rejected for the following reason:

Unknown Error

Do you want to trust this certificate in future sessions?

[Here there's a whole page of Certificate Data]

Whether I click yes or no, it still doesn't work.

Someone at AT&T told me to "change the POP3 settings", but they're set for the right incoming and outgoing, and there's no way to set the ports or update the SSL certificate.

Also, I'd be happy to hire someone to fix these issues.

Thanks,

Russ

Here's link to d/l Eudora from my website: Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe

I stopped using Eudora shortly after I began using Windows 8, now 8.1 because Eudora lost functions in Windows 7 and even more in Windows 8.

It is also more and more difficult to configure in the much more security conscience world we now live in. 

It was a great program in its day and still has many advantages, but not enough to outweigh its disadvantages.

Good luck

Mark