Terminology Administrator User/built-in administrator accounts

I am very confused by the Security Menus on Properties on Windows 7 and the relationship between User Accounts and the User Folders in Windows C Drive (I am using Windows 7 Home Premium on a Mesh Computer). All the accounts mentioned, except the Guest Account which is not enabled, are or were, password protected.

I cannot tell whether the menu is referring to the Admin Account set up as a normal user account with admin privileges or to the built-in administrator account - or to a GROUP of some kind to which these accounts belong. 

My admin user account is entitled "M......-.PC Administrator" - no quotes -  but on the Security Menus (for example under Windows C: Properties) I see Administrators (M....- PC \Administrators)  - notice now in the plural. M.......is my first name. Is this a GROUP name to which the Admin User Account and/or  the built-in Admin account belong or not ? On my DATA M file (which contains most of my personal files and records) I have in addition  "Users (M....-PC Users)"

My User Folder does not seem to bear any relation to the User Accounts listed on Control Panel (see below).  In my efforts to sort out access to various folders, I discovered that somehow (probably result of too many System Restores) I had acquired a User Account M.........  which did not appear on the Control Panel List - however the files in this folder seem to behave as though they are part of the M.....-PC Admin account.  They don`t all appear in M......-PC and some can only be accessed in M...........folder when logged in as M.....-PC Administrator.  I tried to get rid of the plain M.........  User Folder without success (transferring its documents etc. to M..........-PC etc. but temporarily lost my desk top folder in the process). I also tried setting up 2 additional ACCOUNTS with admin privileges called BB and Ge, with a view to deleting M.......... and M.-PC (after transferring folders and contents to BB) but this did not work either so I deleted  BB and Ge from Control Panel User Accounts.   I set up a Standard User Account (called G......... M....) which works fairly well though I have had difficulty accessing some folders when logged in as Standard User - get error message Windows cannot write to this file. For example, I cannot access my Moneysoft Programmes without logging in as M.....-PC Administrator.

Today my User FOLDER looks like this: (my User Accounts show only M..-PC Administrator and G....M....Standard User)

All Users

BB.........

Default

Default User

Ge

G.............. M............

Guest

M..........

M..........Administrator

M.........-PC

Public

They all contain a lot of folders -  Ge.....was an admin account set up to enable transferring files from M...-PC and M..... to BB.

If this had been successful I would have deleted M........... and M-PC Admin but in the event it turned out to be too risky. I was in danger of losing records I need.

Both BB and Ge..... have been REMOVED from User Accounts but the folders remain.  I am uncertain whether I can just delete these folders. 

My questions are:

a) What are the Default and Default Users folders for - do I need to concern myself with them ?

b) What is the Public Folder for - do I need to concern myself with this ?

c) Can I simply delete the BB  and  Ge........ User Folders ?

d) How can I determine whether accounts mentioned under Properties/Security are a GROUP of accounts, or a single built-in admin account or a single user admin account.  If it is a GROUP of accounts, how can I establish which single accounts are included.

e) Is there any way I can sort this mess out without re-installing Windows 7.

f) If I re-install Windows 7 and want to keep some of the Documents and Downloads presently under M........User Folder and M.-PC Administrator User Folder would I simply transfer the problem with them ?

What are the Default and Default Users folders for - do I need to concern myself with them ?

-> They are template folders. You should leave them alone.

What is the Public Folder for - do I need to concern myself with this ?

-> This folder contains shortcuts that are visible to all accounts. Leave it alone.

Can I simply delete the BB  and  Ge........ User Folders ?

-> You deleted the accounts but not not data belonging to these accounts. If these folders contain no useful data then you can delete them.

d) How can I determine whether accounts mentioned under Properties/Security are a GROUP of accounts?

-> Open a Command Prompt (cmd.exe), then type this command to see the security groups:

net localgroup

-> To see the members of a group, use this command:

net localgroup administrators

e) Is there any way I can sort this mess out without re-installing Windows 7.

-> Yes. Delete unwanted accounts. Erase stale profile folders.

f) If I re-install Windows 7 and want to keep some of the Documents and Downloads presently under M........User Folder and M.-PC Administrator User Folder would I simply transfer the problem with them 

-> Re-installing Windows would be equivalent to buying a new car when you run out of petrol. Highly effective, very inefficient.

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Sorry for late reply. I was the one ticking helpful !

I have successfully got rid of 2 of the Admin Accounts but am still struggling to delete M........... (plain M........)

I am sorry this is so difficult to read.  I have substituted plain M for M..........  Trust this is helpful.

The word plain does not appear anywhere on menus.

I cannot easily determine which of the files in User Plain M I need to keep because Windows has been putting some application files - even possibly some System - files into plain M instead of into M...-PC.  Quite a few are duplicates.

I am going slowly through all of them, deleting any already duplicated in M....-PC and copying any others on to a USB Flash Drive before deleting from plain M so I can reverse the deletion if necessary.  Meanwhile the computer seems to be functioning ok.

When I first started this I had deleted one file which resulted in inability to access normal.dotm files so I could not open Word. I found a way round this on the web (renamed normal.dotm to normal.dot) which got rid of the problem. But it has made me ultra cautious.

Some folders and files in plain M cannot be deleted without permission from M.-PC (M-PC/plain M)  so I am leaving those on one side for now. 

plain M........./Properties/Security menu (on first opening Security Tab)  has:

 

 

SYSTEM - Full control

M...........-PC (M..........-PC\Administrators) - Full control

Users (M.......-PC\Users) - only Read Execute,   List Folder    and  Read

no permissions are inherited - all apply to this folder and subfolders and files.         

I had Everyone - with traverse permissions but removed  3 1 17 at 18.00 hours as from my (little) understanding of Traverse I thought it might be causing the problem.

 

OWNER

 

Owner is  Administrators ( M........-PC\Administrators )

On Computer Properties, Computer Description is  plain M`s Computer

Computer Name and Full Computer Name are both listed as M..-PC

I tried changing the ownership to plain M i.e. to M...........-PC\(M.....-PC\plain M) but it did not appear to make any difference so I changed it back.

I would be exceedingly grateful if you can offer any more helpful advice on this.  Meanwhile I will continue deleting what I can.

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Sorry, this sounds far too confusing to me. You need a computer-savvy friend to sit in front of the PC with you and go through the various items one by one, explaining things as he goes.

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Thanks anyway.  It is a giant mess I know.

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For anyone else in this sort of mess, I did finally solve it with a lot of help from all sorts of sources.

Firstly, I found that my computer battery was at fault. Once I changed that, things became a lot easier to sort.

Secondly, I think that when I first tried to delete the Administrator Account, I did not get sufficiently clear in my head what the relationship between the new accounts and the old corrupt ones was. I was trying to keep one of the dodgy accounts which was a mistake.  In the end, I created 2 completely new Admin Accounts and finally took the plunge, backed up all the data I wanted to one of them and used the other one to delete the 2 corrupt folders and the corrupt User Account.  Since then I have deleted one of the new accounts and now have a working Admin Account and a Standard User both with passwords.  I have not named any of them with my computer name.  I think that caused a lot of confusion.

I am very grateful to the forum for allowing me to ramble through my problems - having a sounding board helps you to look back and see where you are going wrong.  I really appreciate the blow by blow answers to my queries from

Frederick Long.  You deserve a medal for your patient untangling of my original queries !

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