Slow start and buggy performance with Windows Vista Ultimate 32 bit

Hello,

I am at a loss as to what is wrong with my personal PC. I have been running Vista for 3 years with no problems.  The only I had in these 3 years is would occaisionally not detect my DVD drive.

Around the beginning of December it started to act a bit strange.  Coincidentally, it seems to have started when I installed whatever windows updates were available at the time. Here is a list of it's symptoms in the past month:

1. When taken out of sleep mode I have gotten a blue screen about 3 times

2. The start-up of windows has become painfully slow. Once even taking 45minutes to get to the sign-on screen.  This is every time I start my machine.

3. On a few occasions windows fails to start and I had to dig up my installation disc to even boot.

My steps to cure this started w/ doings some thorough virus scanning, even though I had a pretty liable program in Avast for some time now.  I also attempted to restore my PC to an earlier date, and now it seems to be slower and hung up in a loop about windows updates. Every time I restart/shutdown I get the Vista screen that says it's installing/initializing updates.  This can't be the case - but none have been downloaded.  This happens on every restart/shutdown.

Ever since I restored, I also can't get windows update to work. It shows me updates, but none will download. I went to the support website and downloaded them manually, but the standalone installer won't work either. It just churns and churns...

Also, since the restore, I can't uninstall any of my programs. I barely have any programs as it is, but I was just trying to create as clean as slate as possible during this troubleshooting, but I can't. It just does nothing.  

I have downloaded and installed a new antivirus (AVG) just to be extra thorough and it shows nothing is wrong.

This leaves me with something is buggy with windows, my registry, or some other sort of conflict.

As for windows update in general - it had never prompted me to download SP1, so I didn't know it existed. Not until I received the first blue screen a little of the month ago did I get a windows suggestion to download it. Of course, I can't install it. I have it downloaded on my desktop manually (the huge 435MB file), but can only look at the pretty icon.

SIGH

Any ideas or suggestions?

Thank you in advance!

 

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Hi,

Keep Avast and ditch the AVG.

You are only running one antivirus right? More than one will interfere with each other and cause
strange issues. Added AVG has been causing a lot of issues lately so I would uninstall it and run
the AVG Removal Tool to prevent remnants which can also cause strange issues. If you have or
had others on the computer, even if uninstalled, check their makers' sites for Removal Tools or
for special instructions. Below are recommendations to use while testing, even better permanently.

AVG Removal Tools
http://www.avg.com/us-en/download-tools

List of anti-malware program cleanup/uninstall tools <- check this list and any makers's sites
for those you have ever had on the machine.
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msestart/thread/407bf6da-c05d-4546-8788-0aa4c25a1f91/

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Here is what I use and recommend : (These are all Free versions and very effective.) 

Avast and Prevx have proven extremely reliable and compatible with everything I have
thrown at them. Microsoft Security Essentials and Prevx have also proven to be very
reliable and compatible. Use MSE and Prevx or Avast and Prevx however not all 3.

Avast Home Free - stop any shields you do not need except leave Standard, Web, and
Network running.

Prevx - Home - Free

Windows Firewall

Windows Defender (not needed if using MSE)

IE - Protected Mode

IE 8 - SmartScreen Filter ON  (IE 7 Phishing Filter)

I also have IE to always start with InPrivate Filter active if IE 8.
(You occasionally have to turn it temporarily off with the little Icon on LEFT of the + bottom
right of IE)

Two versions of Avast are available 5.x and 4.8x

Avast 5.x - Home - Free - Stop the Shields you do not use (except File, Web, Network, &
Behavior) - double click the Orange Icon in Notification Area - Real Time Shields - click the
Shield you want to stop - STOP. To stop the Orange Icon from showing an error indicator -
click the Orange Icon - Upper Right - Settings - click Status Bar - uncheck the Shields you
disabled - click OK
http://www.avast.com/free-antivirus-download

Avast 4.8x - Home - Free - stop any shields you do not need except leave Standard, Web,
and Network running. (Double Click Blue icon - details next to OK. - upper left Shields -
Terminate those you do not use.)
http://www.avast.com/free-antivirus-download#tab4

Or use Microsoft Security Essentials - Free
http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/

Prevx works well along side Avast or MSE

Prevx - Home - Free small, fast, exceptional CLOUD protection, works with other security
programs. This is a scanner only, VERY EFFECTIVE, if it finds something come back here
or use Google to see how to remove. 
http://www.prevx.com/   <-- information
http://info.prevx.com/downloadcsi.asp  <-- download

PCmag - Prevx - Editor'a Choice
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2346862,00.asp

Also get Malwarebytes - free - use as scanner only. If you ever suspect malware, and that
would be unsual with Avast and Prevx running except for an occasional low level cookie
(no big deal), UPDATE it and then run it as a scanner. I have many scanners and they
never find anything of note since I started using this setup.
http://www.malwarebytes.org/

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Possibly checking the causes of the BlueScreens "might" help.

Check this thread for information using BlueScreenView, MyEventViewer and other methods
to troubleshoot BlueScreens - top 3 replies (+1 other).

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistarepair/thread/3deab2fa-4000-4136-8c78-a3d22b1db009

We can analyze the minidumps if you make them available from the SkyDrive or other file
sharing sites.

Zip or upload the contents of C:\Windows\minidump

Use SkyDrive to upload collected files
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/4fc10639-02db-4665-993a-08d865088d65

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Do these :

Start - type this in Search Box ->  COMMAND   find at top and RIGHT CLICK  -  RUN AS ADMIN

Enter this at the prompt - sfc /scannow

How to analyze the log file entries that the Microsoft Windows Resource Checker (SFC.exe) program
generates in Windows Vista cbs.log
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928228


Also run CheckDisk so we can rule out corruption as much as possible.

How to Run Check Disk at Startup in Vista
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/67612-check-disk-chkdsk.html

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After the above :

How to troubleshoot a problem by performing a clean boot in Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929135

How to troubleshoot performance issues in Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950685

Optimizing Microsoft Windows Vista Performance
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/959062

To see all that is loading bootup - wait a few minutes without doing anything - then Right Click
TaskBar - Task Manager - take a look at Appplications - Processes - Services - this is a quick
reference (if you have a little box on Lower Left - Show for All Users then check that).

How to Check and Change the Startup Programs in Vista
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/79612-startup-programs-enable-disable.html

A quick check to see which are loading is Method 2 there - using MSCONFIG then post a list of
those here.
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Tools that should help :

Process Explorer - Free - Find out what files, registry keys and other objects processes have open,
which DLLs they have loaded, and more. This uniquely powerful utility will even show you who owns
each process.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

Autoruns - Free - See what programs are configured to startup automatically when your system boots
and you login. Autoruns also shows you the full list of Registry and file locations where applications can
configure auto-start settings.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx

Process Monitor - Free - Monitor file system, Registry, process, thread and DLL activity in real-time.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx

There are many excellent free tools at Sysinternals
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/default.aspx

WhatsInStartUP - Free - This utility displays the list of all applications that are loaded automatically
when Windows starts up. For each application, the following information is displayed: Startup Type (Registry/Startup Folder), Command -Line String, Product Name, File Version, Company Name,
Location in the Registry or file system, and more. It allows you to easily disable or delete unwanted
programs that runs in your Windows startup.
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/what_run_in_startup.html

There are many excellent free tools at NirSoft
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/index.html

Window Watcher - Free - Do you know what's running on your computer? Maybe not. The Window
Watcher tells all, reporting every window created by every running program, whether the window
is visible or not.
http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptwinwatch.asp

Many excellent free tools and an excellent newsletter at Karenware
http://www.karenware.com/

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Vista and Windows 7 love updated drivers so here is how to update the major ones.

This is my generic how to for proper driver updates :

This utility makes it easy to see which versions are loaded :

DriverView - Free - utility displays the list of all device drivers currently loaded on your system.
For each driver in the list, additional useful information is displayed: load address of the driver,
description, version, product name, company that created the driver, and more.
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/driverview.html

For Drivers check System Maker as fallbacks and Device Maker's which are the most current.
Control Panel - Device Manager - Display Adapter - write down the make and complete model
of your video adapter - double click - Driver's tab - write down the version info. Now click UPdate
Driver (this may not do anything as MS is far behind certifying drivers) - then Right Click -
Uninstall - REBOOT this will refresh the driver stack.

Repeat that for Network - Network Card (NIC), Wifi, Sound, Mouse and Keyboard if 3rd party
with their own software and drivers and any other major device drivers you have.

Now go to System Maker's site (Dell, HP, Toshiba as examples) (as rollback) and then Device
Maker's site (Realtek, Intel, Nvidia, ATI as examples) and get their latest versions. (Look for
BIOS, Chipset and software updates at System Maker's site while there.)

Download - SAVE - go to where you put them - Right Click - RUN AD ADMIN - REBOOT after
each installation.

Always check in Device Manager - Drivers tab to be sure the version you are installing actually
shows up. This is because some drivers rollback before the latest is installed (sound drivers
particularly do this) so install a driver - reboot - check to be sure it is installed and repeat as
needed.

Repeat at Device Makers - BTW at Device Makers DO NOT RUN THEIR SCANNER - check
manually by model.

Manually look at manufacturer's sites for drivers - and Device Maker's sites.
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/driverssupport/ht/driverdlmfgr.htm

How to Install a Device Driver in Vista Device Manager
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/193584-device-manager-install-driver.html

If you update drivers manually then it is a good idea to disable Driver Installations in Windows
Updates, this leaves Windows Updates ON however it will not install drivers which will usually be
older and cause issues. If Updates suggests a new driver then HIDE it (Right Click on it) and then
go look for new ones manually if you wish.

How To Disable Automatic Driver Installation In Windows Vista - Drivers
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-disable-automatic-driver-installation-in-windows-vista/
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc730606(WS.10).aspx

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Refer to these threads for many more excellent tips however be sure to check your antivirus
programs, update major drivers and BIOS, and also troubleshoot with the cleanboot method
first.

Problems with overall system speed and performance
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/slow_windows_performance/en-us

Performance and Maintenance tips
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7performance/thread/19e5d6c3-bf07-49ac-a2fa-6718c988f125

Windows Explorer has stopped working
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7performance/thread/6ab02526-5071-4dcc-895f-d90202bad8b3

Hope these help.


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Rob Brown - past Microsoft MVP - Windows Insider MVP 2016 - 2021
Microsoft MVP Windows and Devices for IT 2009 - 2020

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Hi,

These should help with the Service Pack 1 issues.

Service Pack Center
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/downloads/service-packs

How to obtain the latest Windows Vista service pack
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/935791

How to troubleshoot Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 service pack installation issues
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947366

Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) frequently asked questions
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/959064/EN-US

What you should know before you install Service Pack 1
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936330

Hope this helps.


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Rob Brown - past Microsoft MVP - Windows Insider MVP 2016 - 2021
Microsoft MVP Windows and Devices for IT 2009 - 2020

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Thank you Rob.

Correct - AVG wasn't installed until well after my issues began. AVAST is no longer on my machine. AVAST was the only program installed when everything went south. I honestly don't believe it's the AV. I think my problem is with Vista. I don't get any of the buggy issues that viruses bring - this is strictly performance of Windows.

Thank you for the SP1 links. I have reviewed most of them before. I noticed that it stated SP1 would appear in my automatic updates only if I had every necessary update it needed installed prior to it's release. I am wondering if there is a random update I still need before I can even install SP1. Considering my machine was custom made only about a month or two before SP1's release in March 08, I find it hard to believe my PC wasn't ready for it.

I looked back into my update history and noticed a few failed automatic updates - should I try to download these manually and attempt to reinstall? I am in a bit of a catch-22 b/c my standalone installer doesn't work either.

I will review many, if not all, of the links you provided tonight. I appreciate the information.

I am very tempted to reinstall windows and start over. This mystery/puzzle has been exhausting.

Christina

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Hi,

I understand the issue was present when you installed AVG however AVG is likely to make the issue
worse as it is known to cause the same type of issues. If you remove the AVG try installing SP1 before
you add the Avast back.

Try downloading the updates and re-download SP1 and make sure its the correct version for your
system.

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Use the methods in the previous troubleshooters to try to correct the system issues.

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If needed try a InPlace Upgrade/Repair Installation which allows you to keep the programs and data
though redundant backups are always a good idea.

You can use another's DVD as they are not copy protected however you will need you own
Product Key. It has to be the same 32 or 64 BIT OEM version of Vista. Also the System
maker will usually sell the disk cheap since you already own Windows. Be sure to do a
good backup or 3 (safety in redundancy).

In-Place Upgrade
http://vistasupport.mvps.org/repair_a_vista_installation_using_the_upgrade_option_of_the_vista_dvd.htm

This tells you how to access the System Recovery Options and/or from a Vista DVD
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/What-happened-to-the-Recovery-Console

How To Perform a Repair Installation For Vista
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/88236-repair-install-vista.html

Hope this helps.


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Microsoft MVP Windows and Devices for IT 2009 - 2020

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Hello,

Well I did quite a few things last night with attempting to diagnose what is going on...

I started with a clean boot which resulted in an hour of waiting for the logon screen...then a bluescreen, restart and logon. 

Next, I did the sfc /scannow. It started and told me it would take awhile and then quickly said it couldn't continue b/c a repair was in process and to restart and try again. I did this 3 times with no success.

Finally, I started in safe mode today to remove a few programs (hopefully) and received an error that my installer is not correctly installed. I'm not sure when/how that could have happened. I guess it explains why nothing has downloaded/updated in the past few weeks.

I am patiently working with someone in support as well but don't get a response from him for 36hrs or so with each string...I have send him my msinfo32 info and am awaiting his reply.

I am tabling the SP1 install 1. because my installer doesn't work and 2. b/c if I installed it my original vista disc wouldn't work to do a repair install since it doesn't have the sp1.  That way, if a reinstall turns out to be only option - I still can.

Thanks for your ideas and help.

 

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Hi,

The System Maker will usually sell the Windows Installation Media cheap since you already own
Windows. That will allow you to do a CLEAN install which wipes everything off the drive and then
whether you had SP1 or not would not be an issue.

You have a Recovery Disk it seems and a Repair Disk will allow other options when repairing
Windows.

If you need to make repair disks - these help repair Windows not re-install.

How to Make a Bootable Disk in Vista
http://www.brighthub.com/computing/windows-platform/articles/7050.aspx

Download: Windows Vista 32 bit (x86) Recovery Disc and Windows 7
http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/download-windows-vista-x64-recovery-disc/

Download: Windows Vista x64 Recovery Disc and Windows 7
http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/download-windows-vista-x64-recovery-disc/

How to Make a Windows Vista Repair Disk If You Don’t Have One
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/how-to-make-a-windows-vista-repair-disk-if-you-dont-have-one/

Hope this helps.


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Microsoft MVP Windows and Devices for IT 2009 - 2020

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Actually all I have are the original installation discs (both 32 and 64 bit).

I will have to do a repair installation, but am unsure how. I started the install yesterday, but backed out when it appeared it was doing the full install and I would lose everything. Hopefully I just prematurely exited the install before I got to the screen that gave me the repair option. I am assuming I can do the repair from my installation disc.

Do you have any useful links for doing the repair from the installation disc? Screenshots would help so I know I'm doing this correctly.

Thank you!

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Here are the steps from MS tech to fix my corruption issue. I guess I don't need any screenshots. 

In-place Upgrade

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1. Insert the Windows Vista DVD in the computer's DVD drive.

2. Click Start and choose Computer.

3. Please find the "setup.exe" file in the DVD-ROM and double click it.

4. Click Install now.

5. When we are prompted to input the product key, please click Next without inputting any key. The setup wizard will prompt and ask if you agree to install Windows Vista without the key. Please choose to confirm.

6. When you reach the "Which type of installation do you want" screen, click Upgrade to upgrade the system files of Windows Vista.

 

Note: While performing the In-place Upgrade, the system will restart automatically (several times) to merge the files and programs.

 

Please leave the computer alone and do not configure it until In-place Upgrade is completed. The system will start Windows Vista once it is upgraded.

 

When the In-place Upgrade finishes, please check the original issue again.

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Hi,

Notice the InPlace Upgrade and Repair Installation links in the reply above.

The instructions you were given are essentially correct for doing an inplace upgrade.

If you ever need to run StartUp Repair you can use either a true Windows Installation Disk
or a Repair Disk and the methods are in the troubleshooter below.

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These are if you ever need to run them and not to do instead of the InPlace Upgrade/Repair
Installation which seems to be the right course now.

Try Startup Repair from the Recovery Console (if you have one) or from a Vista disk - if you do
not have a Vista disk you can borrow a friends (they are not copy protected) or make one. Also
your System maker will sell the physical disks cheap since you already own Windows.

This tells you how to access the System Recovery Options and/or with a Vista Disk
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/326b756b-1601-435e-99d0-1585439470351033.mspx

Try StartUp Repair from Recovery Options and/or a Vista disk.

How to do a Startup Repair
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/91467-startup-repair.html

Also from the COMMAND PROMPT of Recovery Console (if possible) or a Vista disk

SFC /scannow
Hit Enter

and after that runs

chkdsk /f /r
Hit Enter

( Spaces between C and /   k and /  and f and / )

Retry Startup Repair after Chkdsk.

If needed after those you can try System Restore from the Recovery or Vista disk.

How to Do a System Restore in Vista
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/76905-system-restore-how.html

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If needed :

What to do if Windows won't start correctly
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/What-to-do-if-Windows-wont-start-correctly

What are the system recovery options in Windows Vista?
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/what-are-the-system-recovery-options-in-windows-vista

What happened to the Recovery Console?
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/What-happened-to-the-Recovery-Console

If you need to make repair disks - these help repair Windows not re-install.

How to Make a Bootable Disk in Vista
http://www.brighthub.com/computing/windows-platform/articles/7050.aspx

Download: Windows Vista x86 (32 bit) Recovery Disc
http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/download-windows-vista-x64-recovery-disc/

Download: Windows Vista x64 (64 bit) Recovery Disc
http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/download-windows-vista-x64-recovery-disc/

How to Make a Windows Vista Repair Disk If You Don’t Have One
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/how-to-make-a-windows-vista-repair-disk-if-you-dont-have-one/

Hope this helps.


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Microsoft MVP Windows and Devices for IT 2009 - 2020

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Thanks again.... Sure enough once I got home to start this project my pc would not load Windows anymore. Can I try to load it from my dvd drive? Also what may I need to reinstall or redirect on my system once I hopefully get this started. There goes my idea of taking several screenshots of my settings before doing the repair. Oh well. Thank u.

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