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win 10 dual boot option for bootcamp and virtual machine, how?

kapitaen asked on

Hi all,

there is a problem with Windows 10 running on Macintosh both under bootcamp and virtual machine.

I already have asked in the vmware, parallels, apple, and microsoft forums but no solution till now.

The problem:

I, and many many others, have a Apple Macintosh, and a installed Win 7 running under bootcamp. When i try to update to win 10 via gwx / media creation tool, the update itself works without problem, after the upgrade process i have a working and activated Windows 10 running under bootcamp. So far, everything is well.

But ... there are some circumstances when i must run the same Windows 10 under a virtual machine, either vmware fusion or parallels. Then this Windows 10 installation tells me under the virtual machine that it is not activated and must be activated again.

Back to bootcamp the Win 10 again tells it is activated.

Trying to activate this win 10 under virtual machine fails, i get Fehlercode: 0xC004C003 (cannot be activated because activation server has detected the product key is locked). Once i had to re-activate under bootcamp. This has worked.

Looking into the forums of vmware, parallels, apple, only a few users tell that they have win 10 activated both for bootcamp and virtual machine, but most of them say nope, only for one of them.

One Apple service technician told me that win 10 must first be activated under bootcamp, then under virtual machine to get success. But nope, bootcamp will be activated automatically by gwx so there is no chance to make a "first manuall activation" under bootcamp.

A clear and reliable how-to is missing, which version of win 10 must be present (gwx or retail, or ??), what must be done after installing to get a reliable dual boot both for bootcamp and virtual machine.

So pleaaase microsoft, what must be done to install Windows 10 under bootcamp, so that it can be activated both for bootcamp and virtual machine?

My windows 7 is running perfectly both under bootcamp and virtual.

greetings from germany

Christian Stüben

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HairyFool replied on

They are two separate installations running on two individual hardware platforms. As such they require separate licenses.

The Windows 10 upgrade registers the previous 7 license as running on the bootcamp based platform which is a new function. Then if you try to authenticate the parallels install based on the same key the registration server sees the key has been used on other hardware because as far as licensing is concerned parallels is the hardware.

Under the terms of the EULA this is correct and was also the case under Windows 7, parallels and bootcamp are two installations in their own right and each should have a license even though only one can run at any time. It is just that now with the on line registration it can be detected.

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kapitaen replied on

I am currently searching for the "not helpfull" button in this forum, i got similar answers before.

No, it cannot be solved with the online activation. When i try to activate the virtualized, i get an error code that says the prod key is already locked.

From my viewpoint both bootcamp and virtual machine are the same installation. One disk, one computer, one installation, one license. No violation of Eula anywhere. With Win 7 this is no problem, works perfect.

It would be easy for microsoft to add a "i am on a virtualized bootcamp session" recognition to win 10. Or to allow a dual hardware footprint recognition for one and the same installation, so that win 10 can boot alternating bootcamp or virtualized.

greetings from germany

Chris

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HairyFool replied on

Sorry but in terms of the EULA your viewpoint is not applicable, they are two installations, they need two licenses. Similar arguments have been made for years over multiboot systems as only one installation can be used at a time so why do we need more than one license and that very specifically is on the same hardware.

This has always been the case, using the same license for more than one installation is a breach of the terms, the difference now is due to the on-line registration of the application of an upgrade license it can be detected and blocked more easily.

You got similar answers before because that is the only answer, asking again is not going to change it.

These are the applicable sections of the Windows 7 EULA

2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.

a. One Copy per Computer. You may install one copy of the software on one computer. That computer is the "licensed computer."

d. Use with Virtualization Technologies. Instead of using the software directly on the licensed computer, you may install and use the software within only one virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed computer.

I have underlined the key points, "one copy" and "instead of". The point is as you should only have one installation of Windows 7 you can only have one installation of the upgraded Windows 10

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kapitaen replied on

my viewpoints concerning 2a:

There IS only one copy. Bootcamp and virtualized are the same physical disk.

2d:

When i boot the virtualized session, i start it instead of the bootcamp. Because bootcamp and virtualized use the same one and only copy that exists, they cannot be started simultaneus.

And when i have a closer look at 2d, it says there is one licensed computer, and on the licensed computer one virtual machine is allowed. Instead of the licensed computer. Exactly what i want to do.

So i dont see any eula violation.

greetings from germany

Chris

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